About this episode
Men’s mental health is something a lot of blokes in the trades don’t talk about until they have to. In Australia, seven men die by suicide every day, and tradies are nine times more likely to die by suicide than from a workplace accident. Men’s Talk, a men’s health promotion charity based in Western Australia, is working to change that by getting men connected and talking early.
In Episode 6 of Unlocking Business, I sit down with Jevyn Myers from Men’s Talk. We talk about why men are less likely to ask for help, why WA and regional Australia are hit hardest, the warning signs that are easy to miss, and what Men’s Talk does differently with free, non-clinical drop-in centres, mentoring programs and a mobile outreach van called Monty the Man Van.
If you’re a bloke who has been drifting away from people without really noticing, or you want to know how to check in on a friend, this one is for you.
Who is Jevyn Myers?
Jevyn works with Men’s Talk, a WA charity focused on men’s health promotion. Its approach is casual rather than clinical: drop-in centres where men can turn up and talk, free mentoring, a school mentoring program called Gen Connect, free mental health first aid courses, and outreach that takes support out to the community. In the episode Jevyn also shares what personally drew him to working in men’s mental health.
Key takeaways from my conversation with Jevyn
1. Connection is the foundation
A big part of our chat is about community. Sporting clubs, gyms, church groups, gaming communities and simply having friends outside of home all give men somewhere to belong. We compare that kind of real connection with what social media offers, and talk about online role models and the so-called manosphere.
2. Know the life changes that put men at risk
Isolation, divorce and job loss come up as warning signs. Jevyn also points to retirees and men changing careers as groups that can lose their sense of purpose and their social circle at the same time, and we talk about what men can do to stay connected when work stops.
3. “She’ll be right” has a cost in the trades
Men are around 50% less likely to seek help than women. In mining, FIFO and the trades, the “she’ll be right” culture can make it even harder to speak up. For anyone running a trade business, that is worth thinking about for your team as much as for yourself.
4. Busy doesn’t mean connected
We get into the reality of balancing young kids and a busy business while your friendship circle quietly shrinks. Men need an outlet outside of home and family, even when life feels too full for it.
5. Help is free and you don’t need to be in crisis
Every Men’s Talk service is free, and you don’t need a reason to walk in. Their focus is prevention and early intervention, catching men before things get too heavy. When someone needs more, Men’s Talk works alongside psychologists and escalates to professional support.
6. Starting the conversation matters most
Near the end, Jevyn talks through how to start a conversation with a friend you’re worried about, how to refer someone to Men’s Talk, and how to get a spot in one of their free mental health first aid courses.
Monty the Man Van and why I opened up too
One of the things that makes Men’s Talk different is Monty the Man Van, a mobile outreach van that takes support out to where men are, rather than waiting for them to find it. Jevyn explains how it works.
This episode also got personal for me. I talk about an injury that pulled me away from sport and left me isolated, and what brought me back. I also open up about the stress of running a business with two young kids, and how I got through losing $2.2 million in one financial year. I’m sharing it because I know plenty of business owners carry that kind of pressure on their own.
Where to find Men’s Talk
Men’s Talk runs free drop-in centres, mentoring and mental health first aid courses in WA. You can also support their work or refer someone you’re worried about.
- Website: mtalk.com.au
- Instagram: @mens_talk_au
- Facebook: Mens Talk AU
- LinkedIn: Mens Talk AU
If you or someone you know needs support, call Lifeline on 13 11 14 (24/7) or, in an emergency, call 000.
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In this episode
- 00:00Preview clips
- 00:37What is Men's Talk and what do they do?
- 01:42Drop-in centres and who uses them
- 02:45Why community and sport are essential for men's mental health
- 03:10Suicide statistics, 7 men every day in Australia
- 04:50Why WA and regional Australia are hit hardest
- 05:18Why men are 50% less likely to seek help than women
- 06:13The "she'll be right" culture and the mining and trades workforce
- 06:56FIFO workers, and why tradies are most at risk
- 08:11How the narrative around men's health is starting to change
- 09:17Kane's personal experience, injury, isolation and the pull back to sport
- 11:41Gen Connect, Men's Talk's school mentoring program
- 13:51Social media, the manosphere and online role models
- 15:02Sporting clubs and gyms vs social media for real connection
- 16:00Gaming, online communities and alternative forms of connection
- 17:40Why regional men struggle more, the red zone map of Australia
- 19:01Lifeline statistics and how many Australians are struggling right now
- 20:15What personally drew Jevyn to work in men's mental health
- 21:50Religion and church as a form of community connection
- 23:51Is the younger generation drinking less and what does that mean?
- 26:51What can men do if they're not into sport or gaming?
- 28:24Balancing young kids, a busy business and losing your friendship circle
- 31:45Why men need an outlet outside of home and family
- 33:47How to approach Men's Talk, it's casual, not clinical
- 35:38All Men's Talk services are completely free
- 36:19Men's mentoring program and how it works
- 38:15When Men's Talk escalates to professional support
- 39:27How Men's Talk works alongside psychologists
- 41:32What happens if someone comes in at crisis point
- 42:33Prevention vs early intervention, catching men before they fall
- 42:58The most at-risk groups, retirees, career changers and divorce
- 44:37What men can do when they retire to stay connected
- 45:28Monty the Man Van, the mobile outreach van explained
- 47:08Do men actually plan for retirement mentally?
- 48:23Kane opens up about stress, business losses and coping with two kids
- 52:48How Kane got through losing $2.2 million in a financial year
- 54:16What long-term impact is Men's Talk trying to create?
- 55:31Is the conversation around men's mental health actually growing?
- 56:49How to support Men's Talk or refer someone you're worried about
- 58:19Free mental health first aid courses and how to get a spot
- 59:20How to start the conversation with a friend who's struggling
- 1:00:21Wrap up